JACK VINATI | Full Planche with 202cm & 103kg | Interview | The Athlete Insider Podcast #50

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A few months ago we discovered someone on social  media who was holding a full pledge for 10 seconds   was doing full front lever and this guy wasn't  the ordinary calisthenics guy he was over two   meters tall and over 100 kg heavy extreme height  extreme weight extreme aesthetics this meant we   needed to do this interview i'm extremely happy to  be able to present you today the 50th episode of   the athlete insider podcast with a really special  guest a special episode jack was kind enough to   talk about his workout advice his planche advice  how to select a coach and how to reach your goals   quicker it's not perfect for him his legs are  bad and i say i say i say you're right he's right   again we provide all the details and all the  chapters for the stuff that we talk about so   you can select the part that is interesting  for you feel free to watch it till the end   because there are a lot of interesting  things in it enjoy and keep growing guys you gorillas welcome to the athlete insider  podcast by gornation my name is phil and today's   episode is a special episode with a special guest  with a guest that is uh inspiring the calisthenics   community with his extreme aesthetics and it's  not only that he does full planche and front lever   but he is like he has a special physique let's  say and so with his two meters two centimeters   and 103 kg i'm really happy to welcome  you to the show from italy jack vinati   hello everybody jack so i'm happy that you fit  into the camera which is like you already look   huge huge on camera this is uh really like  it's a really play it's a real pleasure to   talk with you and to do this interview so um we  received a lot of questions from the community   but first of all uh yeah maybe for the us  listeners uh you're six feet seven i guess uh   seven inches tall and 225 pounds yes that's  insane so um yeah do you want to kick off   presenting yourself who are you what do you do  yeah um hello everybody my name is giacomo vinati   but everybody calls me jack yeah this reminds me  the duff punk meme yeah it's funny i'm a software   engineer and and the sort of calisthenics athlete  i say i said sort because i cannot be a real   athlete until i participate in a competition  i played basketball for 11 years i was also   a professional one but at the age of 22 i quit due  to a crossed and collateral ligaments knee injury   and from there i started going to the gym for  three four years until i discovered calisthenics   wow basketball that's something i we received some  questions here why don't you play basketball with   your height uh but you you already did yeah yeah  you already crossed that chapter already quit   insane uh did did the your career and basketball  bring you something for calisthenics or is it   a completely completely different i think  it's completely different yeah completely   okay so not even mindset things or like the  competitive uh attitude that you're there maybe   you know or for him for the menthol a competition  yeah i say yeah i can see you i agree but dude it's not a physical so  i it's a totally different   totally different sport sure so is i i had to  start from scratch yeah i can imagine and have you   been that massive already playing basketball or  uh did you start eating more when you uh when you   started your your workout maybe i started  eating more when i started doing calisthenics   but not too much more than before it was almost  the same more or less okay cool then uh yeah   let's jump into your beginnings with calisthenics  with the static workout let us let us know   how did you start with the sport how were your  beginnings uh why did you start with calisthenics   and not with the typical gym stuff okay i i  remember a free three and a half years ago   a video called calisthenics street  workout appeared on my youtube home   and it had millions of views and i had never  heard this name calisthenics and i was intrigued   about it so i watched it and and was amazed by  the skills of this athlete it was frank mitrano who did the front lever dragon flag and stem  push ups one hour pull ups and i thought cool   i want to do it too and so i started looking for  coaches in my city but i couldn't find anyone   and the same time i remember many told me that  i was too tall and too heavy for this sport and   that i would never make it so i just wanted  to prove to everyone that they were wrong   and that even someone two meters tall and  100 kill weight could be able to do skill   so it has become a challenge against  everyone and above all against myself well there you already like said so many  uh valuable and interesting things um so   first of all you directly looked for a coach right  um where did this this idea come from because most   of the calisthenics people they start training  they look up tutorials they try by their self   themselves they i don't know yeah because i i  started maybe i i i tried for two three months to   train just looking just watching the  youtube videos but nothing changed   nothing so one of my friend told me i remember  there is a really good coach in verona is   a city he's a one hour far from here and so i  i text him and at first he said the same thing   no you cannot do it you're too tall you're too  heavy and i said please let me show you for maybe   two three four months follow me and i will show  you that maybe i can do i can prove you're wrong okay so your goal was always  statics or did you start with uh   like the the goal of a muscle up or some  reps more yeah yeah it was more a thing of   about of skills more than aesthetic or  body uh so i wanted to i was impressed by   the full clash the full planche i think it's my  favorite skill and i said that i i want to do that   wow a lot of people told you that you aren't  able to do that like um that even your coach   says no i i won't coach you you're like uh too  too big too tall at first of course um so what   what did they make with you like what uh what  were your thoughts like did you always have this   contrary thinking that you thought yeah i will  prove you i will yeah yeah yeah yeah i will yeah   i i always thought i don't mind i know might of  others people though okay and um yeah did you   feel that it was heavier like you don't have the  comparison you're you know like um i think the   last time you were one meter 50 it was being  10 years old or something so you don't have   the comparison yeah i mean at the beginning or in  general at the beginning i remember that at first   the first few months i found it hard just hang on  the bar for more than 20 seconds and i remember   that my hands and forearms always hurt it was  difficult and not very motivating at the beginning   because i i felt like a little dumb doing  trivial exercises such as plank on the ground   or hollow position and i always thought i'll  never make it or it will take me forever to reach   just one skill but when i start achieving  my first skills just like the front lever   i began to understand what calisthenics is so it's  completely different support from the others so uh   let me explain it's not like bodybuilding or  powerlifting where no attention attention is   paid to joint mobility and in calisthenics the  technique is even more important because you   um almost always work with your whole body  when you perform a skill so there must be   a new um and unique synergy you have to feel  your body completely for example when you do   the handstand it's not it's not uh it's not  easy you have to understand how to feel how   the feet are positioned the shoulder the  rhetoric the retroversion of the pelvis   uh thinking about pushing up against uh the  ground with shoulders and all this must be   done at the same time this is why i think it's  more difficult and more satisfying or rewarding   than other sports it's like becoming a sort of  accelerometer and gyroscope at the same time   you have to know your the position of  each by each part of your body your space   yeah yeah it's a big street yeah so um like it  wasn't easy in the beginning so did you always   like ever had the thoughts of quitting or stopping  i never i never thought about giving up and   if i were able to achieve all the skills there  are skills that i like and participate in some   competition maybe two or three maybe i could  dedicate myself to pure strength exercise and give   up with the skill i don't know maybe weighted dips  whether pull-ups deadlifts and squat i don't know   yeah and uh is your goal to compete uh in the in  the near future or in the future yeah yeah yeah   but i think is uh it's very hard because there is  there are no weight categories at all and i think   i would never win a competition buys i don't mind  i don't mind so you would also compete just for   the experience and just for fun yeah for saying i  i did it i proved everybody that i did it yeah and   i like it i i imagine this situation you competing  and like everybody just whoa whoa like uh i think   it would be priceless to see all the faces uh  like of the people seeing that it's possible and   that their excuse of weight or height isn't isn't  uh isn't right and um yeah i think like you're   inspiring a lot of athletes out there because  especially the tall athletes are feeling um a   lot of like we receive a lot of questions and uh  comments and messages of tall athletes who are   like not discouraged but like they need more  motivation than small athletes because they   have it harder yeah yeah because um i especially  i never thought at the word impossible but   more difficult to achieve for example an average  athlete takes the full planche maybe in few months   instead it took me over two years sometimes it's  frustrating but my motto is uh slowly but surely   so never be in a hurry even if the improvements  are tiny i also want to add a little truth because   uh very often i read comments from people who  say that tall person make makes the same effort   as shorter one and is a lot it's totally it's  completely lie so it's a physics question so   it's let's take a little physical physics lesson  if you have longer levers a larger weight force   than normal acts on them and this is a double  disadvantage firstly with longer levels   it's more difficult to exert an iron force due  to the fact that the arm is much longer than   usual and therefore it will be not suitable  to act with it it's also a matter of momentum   and you can you can find the different um physics  formula and just searching and surfing on web   and secondly more weight means to exert a  larger force in order to front it so my body   usually is not anatomically ready to front  uh this kind of effort for example for the   full planche or front lever pull ups so  i need to be stronger with the respect   to thinner a shorter guys in order to achieve  a certain movement or the same movement so um   it's also a matter matter of range of movement if  you have longer arms then the path that you need   to cover during all the execution of the movement  is larger than normal this is even worse than   waiting more than normal because scientifically  wrong deficit is harder than a weight increase   so rom is much bigger for tall guys than the  short one and also a linear increase in height   corresponds not to a linear increase in force but  the cubic one to be generating a cubic force uh   sorry a cubic increase in the force to be  generated for to perform the same movement yeah so   this is physics these are facts because i always  read comments like that and i think they're wrong   it's good that you point this out and you seem  like somebody who is like really scientifically   approaching his training and reading a lot and  learning a lot about the sport is that true   yes um i discuss a lot of time with one of  my friends ciao white and his is a he's a   nuclear physicist and he does calisthenics  so we talked about a lot of times about   the weight disadvantage and the lever disadvantage  um in your trainings like what is the limiting   factor do you have like especially one body part  that you always feel that this is the the part   where it's hardest i can imagine for example the  wrists have to be extremely strong if they if   you have like such a crazy angle plus that weight  that is pushing uh no uh i think the the worst one   is uh the long head of biceps is a is  a muscle inside here near the shoulder   and i think is the most stressed in the in the  plunge straddle of um full plunge or uh straddle   plunge push ups and and and this is the worst  one no i i i've never had problems on wrists or   forearms never wow good for you that's because i  i work a lot with joy with your mobility because   i think it's one of the most important thing in  this sport true in general do you do a lot of   mobility work yeah usually 10 to 15 minutes before  the workout and 10 to 20 minutes after the workout   every time yeah every time every every time i know  it's boring it's really really boring but i think   it's the most important thing well that's that's  good to know um yeah what's what was the first   skill that you learned let's jump back to your  beginnings um the first skill my first real skill   was the front lever it took me uh if i remember  four five months to get my first seconds in full   by real i mean a skill that you can see in  competition because i remember for example i   used to do the dragon flag before the front lever  but it helped me a lot with the front lever too um   and that's it this is my first first  one this was well i also saw when i   checked your instagram profile you also like  in the beginning you posted front lever mostly   and then uh it switched more and more  to to the planche so i already yeah   yeah and in general are you more a push  person or a pool person from your genetics and   uh i'm stronger in in pool exercises  but i prefer the push ones okay   okay interesting so do you think you can  switch the focus like do you think one day   you will be stronger and in push uh movements  because of your i don't know i think i'm   i'm stronger in pulsar due to my genetics and  my body structure but i don't know i i struggle   every time with with a push one okay um  yeah then let's let's jump into the question   um people uh asked how long did it take from the  first workout ever from the first calisthenics   workout ever to the first straddle planche can  you take us um to this journey um so it took me um   from zero to the first straddle i remember if  i remember correctly one and a half years and i   mean the first two seconds of straddle plunge if  i'm not mistaken it was october november of 2019   then i had an exponential improvement in march  2020 so last year and i did my first 10 seconds in   straddle plunge and after my  10 seconds of straddle planche   i started training the half lay and the full  leg punch these two exercises are really tough   because they require a lot of hip mobility and a  lot of glute activation and i hope i hold my first   full plunge from lean position starting from  lean position towards the end of may of last year   then during the last summer i had a stalemate if  it's correct i don't know and in december i did my   first five seconds in full clash and then in march  so almost two months ago my first 10 seconds in   full clash i know in the video that i put with  by 10 seconds it's the form is not 100 correct   i should stretch my legs but i'm always afraid  of falling well my face so i unconsciously keep   them a little bent the bent legs were was it  during the full planche what you just said   the full punch yeah okay yeah if you can see in  the video my legs are not completely stretched   those are a little bit bent okay do you think it's  good to just show the perfect form like um to oh   um yeah i've you i usually don't post too much  on social because i i i don't like to to show   every micro improvement that i can i can  achieve maybe every week or every month   i want to show when i i want to post to make a  post when i achieve a skill maybe at 90 percent   so it's not completely correct but  i'm i think maybe it's okay yeah   and like when somebody's uh writes i don't  know it's not perfect for him his legs are   bad and i say i say i say you're right i also  uh wrote it down on the description of my   my video okay so for you it's not like an offense  or something it's just uh no no no it's it's right   it's a compliment okay cool um yeah like  um how long how does your workout look   like today like uh your schedule for the week  how is your workout structured during the week   okay um i'm training five times a week  right now and from the first lockdown i   do to the coffee 19 i've always trained at home  and in november my brother built for me an entire   tailor-made iron structure for example the  bar are 2 meter and 75 tall and with also   larger diameters because it's really difficult  for me to use structures that are in the parks   for example the fixed parallels are too narrow for  me and to get back to what i was talking about my   workouts are divided into three workouts  where i work full flash to improve seconds and   the technique straddle push straddle punch push  ups straddle plunge press and one arm pull ups   in the other two workouts front lever pull  ups handstand handstand push ups and legs   and in all workouts as i said before i  do a lot of joy mobility before and after   and usually my schedule changes every month  where at the end of each one i have to test   my maximum which are used by my coach  to calibrate the next the next schedule wow these are a lot of skills like um front  lever pull ups straddle push ups um um one   one on pull ups like you have a lot of skills  in in your training um yeah yeah the the focus   is is do you have like a few moves that  skills that are the focus and the rest   uh for example this month the main focus is on  uh the full always the full planche because maybe   i can have uh transfer to the straight dog plunge  push ups in fact yes i could almost close them my   first threaded planche press yesterday wow i still  i yeah i still need 20 degrees more to get closer   wow that's cool and uh like um do you feel that  uh i don't know the the biceps uh strength that   you gain through one arm pull-ups or front  lever pull-ups does it also help this bicep   strength for the planche no i think are different  movements because when i do the one arm pull ups   i use a lot of legs in the first part and in the  last one and the final part because i'm training   it on the ring not on the bar because on the ring  is more difficult because you have to touch the   ring with your chest and in in the last movement  in the last part you work a lot with your tricep   okay and can you go more into in into depth  uh into your workouts like um how much rest   do you do uh do you always do like uh 100 in every  workout or like at how much below my schedule um   is is a is part of a bigger uh sort of plan so  i maybe a three three month ago i started with   65 of intensity then the next month the the  main exercise are different mark our focus um   are always focused for the same skills uh from  the full flash uh plus a struggle two shots uh   one arm pull up but the um the intensity  increase every month 65 75 85 percent   for example two weeks ago i was at my um i did  my last week of the last schedule and i was at 90   yeah okay wow um do you also do deload uh weeks or  deload trainings yeah uh for example my schedule   um is three weeks of or full intense work and  the the fourth one is like an activity load   with the the last three days when i where i test  my maximum for example max holding full plunge um   max reps of frontal level plops or uh how can the  one arm pull up in angles okay etcetera etcetera   and what in this training schedule is your advice  to somebody who wants to learn the planche because   we received like as you can imagine a lot of  questions uh what's his best advice for the   planche what what does his plan secrets like  what in general if you have to tell something   what's what gave you the best results for plan  uh first and most important thing as i mentioned   before working on joint mobility because the  planche for total athletes is very stressful   in terms of muscles and tendons of the biceps  and shoulders second advice don't be in a hurry   most of the times tall people have to do much  more preparatory exercise to reach a skill   especially for the plunge for example i didn't  go straight from straddle plunge to full clash   but i have to work on half lay fully and also  with the dream machine that i think is uh the the the equipment that helped me the most  yeah um do you know what the dream machine is maybe for the people who don't know  it it's um if you want to explain it   yeah the dream machine is a it's an equipment that  is used by professional gymnasts i wear a climbing   harness to which i hook two ropes and that pass  through a rotating pulley attached to the bar   and then the ropes are connecting on the other  side to the weights i built it by myself and i   think it's the most useful piece of a keep all the  equipment for tall athletes because you can scale   the weight precisely without having to use  hundreds of of different loop bands furthermore   loop bands uh have a disadvantage that they  degrade over the time no longer holding the   same weight indicate and secondly in dynamic  exercises for example front lever pull ups   plunge push ups or one arm pull ups you never  know how much weight you're unloading when the   loop band is uh is not in his maximum extension  so they are useful but they have their own limits   wow that's interesting and so you so i didn't  know that you train also a lot in rings did you   feel that the ring training uh helped you  a lot for um for the planche like uh the   stability that you gained in rings no rings  helped me a lot for uh for the 1r pull up   because i i've just i've always tried  the full clash on on the parallettes   okay never on the rings i think it's more  difficult okay so you have a dream machines   not with rings but with parallels no no the  rings are uh yeah yeah i can use my dream machine   also because uh they are attached uh one  to the to the uh to the climbing harness   and the other side to the weights i can also um  switch and uh uh hook them hook the two ropes   uh on the switch harness and uh and then  to the rings so it's a real dream machine   it's a little bit different so uh if i hook  the two ropes uh to the weights i can scale   in precisely in a precise way and i can  do a full plunge for plunge push-ups uh   plunge press one arm pull up every uh also from  clever collapse oh makes sense sounds good um   yeah so these are the reasons that you think  that uh like you learned the planche um and uh   maybe some smaller athletes or like  athletes who have like even a better   genetics um didn't um like or does  it also have something to do with the   with the thing that you said that you have to  have patience you know like you use you um that   you don't rush um like what are the maybe also  the mental things behind learning the planche   honestly i don't know how others athletes train  and i can't say anything about it but i can say   that i reached the planche mainly thanks to my  coach alessandro that i say hi to alessandro if i   if it hadn't been for him now i would have already  changed sport maybe yeah wow that's uh that's a   quote so um like for you it's you would always  um would you recommend to everyone picking a   coach and if he wants to achieve big things  in calisthenics yeah because um i think for   tall athletes like um like me it's it's quite  impossible to follow the youtube youtube videos   i think they are a sort of quick clickbait  if you know what i mean because i think   there are no general uh there is no general  way or there are no general routines that   that apply to everyone most likely most  likely the one that worked for me may   not work for the others so  it's too subjective as a sport   and i think there is no universal method  that applies to everyone maybe it can work   for shorter and lighter soft leads but it will  definitely never work for taller and heavier ones okay so you think like um youtube is good for  maybe general information about the sport like um   general stuff but if if uh if the listeners want  to have like really information for themselves and   uh like a coach that can look into one's body  and uh like one's performance etc and analyze   like uh movement patterns etc it's like smarter  to have a coach yeah yeah definitely yeah um   yeah the question that uh you already answered  a little bit is um that people ask if you work   on your legs so um is it possible to have  this weight and this height that you have   and work on on legs while having the full planche  this is a question that is quite interesting so   yeah tell us your opinion about leg training yeah  yes i train them once a week but the gyms have   closed since the last october do you do the copy  19 and the only exercise i can do is bulgarian   squats with dumbbells and i think yeah it's  partly a disadvantage but also an advantage work   like work work on legs uh with calisthenics also  if you're a tall athlete make me explain better   a disadvantage because having two heavy legs  would not allow me to to be able to do almost   any skill if i train my legs seriously maybe two  three four times a week i would weight 110 150   kilos and no more you know have you ever watched  the johnny bravo cartoon in your life i don't   think so yeah it was a short cartoon when this  guy is like has a um upside down triangle shape   just like me okay so my body has always been like  that despite having played basketball for 11 years   so it's my constitution it's my genetic but  training them is also an advantage because   when you do the pledge you need to have strength  in the lower back and the bluetooth you have to be one you have to feel the synergy with the whole  body when you work uh working your legs helps play   in the plunge press and because it requires a lot  of activation of glutes and also for the straddle   one active active opening of the legs yeah and  that's it okay so train the legs but not too much does it also help to train in the right uh rep  um rep range like to not build massive legs but   only um strong legs yeah uh i just train in  a normal way and my goal is not to have a   huge and big legs because i i think i i would not  reach a huge mass my my genetic is a is different   true but how many reps do you do per set  approximately is it five or is that fifteen i made four four sets four five sets uh  and i repeat it three four times because   it's the only exercise i can do at home  and we do 10 to 12 reps okay cool um yeah   do you want to tell us more about your day like  uh besides um uh the the workout like as you're uh   also with your profession as a software software  engineer um like um how does your day look like   um i usually wake up at 7 00 am having breakfast  go to work at about half past 5 p.m i start   training and then in the evening i either study  or watch videos on different programming languages   or frameworks yeah i'm a nerd and since since a  month to now i've been reading a very interesting   interesting book on machine about machine learning  in python we that uses keras tensorflow and scikit   libraries and sometimes in the evening maybe  before going to sleep i like to watch videos about   astrophysic or astrophysics and quantum  mechanics so i have no special routines okay   but you're somebody who like likes to learn and  likes to read and uh like uh learn new stuff right   yeah that's cool nice um let's  talk about your nutrition   um how do you eat how do you how important  do you think is is food for your performance   um i i don't follow a particular diet i never wait  what i eat but i always try to eat healthy and   many times a day maybe six seven times a day for  example in the morning i eat tons of greek yogurt   and with the whole grains um at 10  p.m uh i hit a greek yogurt again and   for lunch i usually have pasta or basmati rice and  chicken or other kind of meat and after training i drink a protein sugar and for dinner i have  fish and vegetables and before going to sleep if some i take some i eat some protein source  without carbohydrates and fats so i don't   always eat so many times a day it also depends  on the on the commitments between work and   university so and on but on weekends i usually  keep one day when i can eat what i want   cool and what is your favorite food on cheat day burgers nice so like do you have like um   do you do you think like uh the protein is  really is important for your performance   or is it because you you for me it sounded like  you had like fish meat like uh greek yogurt your   in every meal you had protein how how important  do you think it is for your performance   uh i i think that is really important along  with sleeping at least six to seven hours night   but i can say that when i eat badly i  feel a decline in performance especially   in pushing the exercises so for example if i  eat too much carbs before before the workout   i i feel i feel less less strength and  that's it how do you think about supplements usually after training i have a protein sugar  and and eat a banana that's it nothing more   or nothing less sometimes when i  feel very very tired i take the bcaa   and stop okay so no creatine did  you ever take never okay well interesting um yeah let's talk about injuries um  what injuries did you have on the way uh until now fortunately no however two years ago i got a very  deep contracture of the rhomboid on my back which   lasted two two months i no longer felt strength  in any exercise and i remember that at the time   i was doing uh the rope climbs and they are very  very tough and i couldn't do and do them anymore   virtually a very good osteopathy uh with the  use of hagoter ago therapy with electrodes   was able in a short time to get me through the  contractor so this is the the only injury okay   so like to prevent injuries as you said uh  mobility is important yeah um how important   is warm up um yeah the warm-up for example it  depends on on the workout uh for example if i   have one or two up and and or any kind of exercise  like plunge or life push-ups or plunge press   i do five five six six minutes of   warm up so the warm up is for me the basic really  basic exercises for example i do tuck plunge or advanced punch or attack plunge  push ups uh or maybe ten tempo   normal pull ups on the bar but very slowly  and that's it i think it's more important   the joint mobility so you enter the training room  and then you start with your joint mobility yeah   first joint mobility and then the warm-up and then  i start the workout okay and then for what time   span approximately two and a half hours two and  a half hours yeah well that's five times a week   yeah and uh then afterwards again ten to fifteen  minutes of joint mobility no no it's a two no it's   a two and a half hour uh with uh with the  joint mobility okay before and after cool   and uh what is your opinion on cardio does it help  you for um uh when i when i quit with basketball   i think i i've never do it again no no cardio no  circuits nothing wow no i because i don't do um   endurance exercises only strength and also  skills and that's it somebody asked also   about your weighted numbers do you sometimes  do uh weighted uh training with uh yeah right i am i'm not strong on weighted exercises  but i never do uh i've never did a specific   maximum strength or weighted training and  honestly as far as deeps for the deep screen   dips are concerned i think it's a little bit  dangerous movement i'm talking about dips   to do with high gloss because uh i've seen a lot  of people get hurt trying to lift one up from 100   to 200 percent of their weight in the dips and  so i've never gone any further so for example my   maximum with pull ups is 80 80  kilos and for the dips is almost 90.   oh yeah i know no no no it's it's very low yeah  but the deep is low still it's it's it's uh   it's an impressive number like uh in in my opinion  but uh like 80 kg and pull that's um that's   uh quite strong that's cool but i prefer the  skill yeah i know that's uh that's good perfect um   yeah um maybe to sum up all the the the experience  that you now gathered in in calisthenics maybe you   want to sum up like what are the three main things  that you want to tell the listeners to progress   quicker or like um to have more results in  in calisthenics yeah um having a good coach don't be in a hurry so like my motto slowly  but surely and always work and join mobility   well that's uh cool so if i'm the listener now and  i want to go out and look for a coach what's the   most important thing that i have to look  out for coach is it the the personal   relation that it's good or short interruption  here jack asked us to put a detailed reply to   this question into this interview so he sent us  an audio enjoy i think it's very important to be   followed by competent person who demonstrate  what he has done and who proves to have had   experience and results on extremely  wide audience for example told people   because in this way you are more likely  to fall into that case furthermore it's   significant if he has trained in related  disciplines such as artistic gymnastics or not   an athlete who has grown up in a recognized  sport like gymnastics is more likely to teach   calisthenics best because in turn they have been  followed by coaches who have been trained for   example by national olympic committee and so they  have a certain qualification and have undergone   school of indoctrination the person does  inherits a certain method working method   an athlete who only grew up exclusively in the  park is likely to have trained randomly and   training others only as he trained it will only  be good for people identical to him and that's it   interesting yeah i can i can understand what you  where you're going um what can we expect from you   in the future what are your goals right now where  do you where where what's the next youtube upload   which will blow everyone away okay the  first goal is to achieve a lot of skills   for example take the straddle punch press the full  punch press it's very tough being able to do eight   to ten reps of front lever pull ups for now i  can do it on just three only three there is one   of my there is a video on youtube that uploaded my  coach and also the one for at one end front lever   is super cool or and same push ups full plunge  push ups iron cross a ring iron cross and the   festo i also like the maltese but i think it's  out of reach for me i think it's too dangerous   for my height and weight it's also generates too  much stress on the long head of the biceps and   the second goal as i said before is to be able  to participate in some competition and i know i   would never win against athletes smaller than  me but i don't care but it would be great if   weighted categories were introduced because  they would allow many more people to approach   the world of calisthenics and make these sports  more competitive it's always my opinion yeah   like uh if if if somebody listens to this and he  has the same opinion we can start a petition uh   so like what categories are are established  because i can definitely relate to that   yeah and like as you said like you receive  uh messages we receive messages from tall   athletes who feel a little bit discouraged  or excluded from the calisthenics world so   it would definitely be an  interesting step that's that's true and on the other hand it would be insane to  see you competing i don't know at burning gate   uh and uh like against all the uh all the like  uh normal athletes i would say like uh just being   being the tallest which would motivate a  lot of people i think yeah it will be fun nice we're slowly coming to an end of the  interview we still have some quick questions   quick answers at the end you already answered  the first one what do you prefer pizza or burger   even as an italian uh like you say you say  burger um are you a dog or a cat person   absolutely a dog person do you own a dog yeah  a big one it's a corso dog the breed is a corso   it's an italian breed is it's 54 kilos wow  yes he is huge he's like a black thunder   wow and you're probably the only person in italy  who can hold the dog and who can uh like uh   who is able to breathe yeah yeah nice uh do  you have a favorite location for holidays   yeah grease for now for the  because of the greek yogurt yeah   nice uh yeah what are the athletes  that inspire you and your workouts   emanuele mageli the italian champion skarlux and  caruso wow i think they are they are the strongest   the italian aesthetics uh statics legends  nice yeah um yeah do you have a favorite book   yeah i had one it's called the it's named  the last horizon of written by amadeo balbi   amado balbi is a famous italian astrophysicist and  the book provides a sort of synthesis of modern   cosmology describing both the results achieved  and the limits encountered in the cognitive   investigation of the universe addressed with  the methods of empirical science yeah well that that sounds like uh really uh scientific  let's call it that no no i didn't say nerd yeah   i said scientific good uh yeah you already  wear it on your t-shirt maybe but what's   your favorite music what's what are your favorite  bands genera generally is middle i'm a metal head   definitely my favorite band i don't  know maybe ramstein or slipknot or   five finger death punch i don't know  i like them all so the ramstein are   different because they are industrial middle  and they are the only one in the world and   they are amazing awesome great so yeah  like if you listen to ramstein we can maybe   do the next interview in german uh because  you you i don't know i don't think so maybe nice day yeah one one day one day um we can  go on on a ramstein concert then yeah for sure   cool um yeah the best calisthenics event you've  ever visited have you like do you visit uh some   some events sometimes it's it's funny but i've  never been to an event in my life because during   uh summer event events i've always had university  exam said i didn't have any time yeah i know   okay so that's uh that's also a goal which is uh  in the future cool um yeah the your favorite skill   food brush full plunge press or full flash push  ups cool and the last question your message to   the calisthenics community what do you want  to tell the listeners calisthenics i think   this is a fantastic sport even it's if it's  very stressful on a physical and mental level   but it can be very rewarding so don't listen to  anyone who tells you you cannot do it only you are   your own judges yeah it sounds good sounds perfect  sounds great yeah awesome jack how where do the   people find you we will put all the links in the  description um you have youtube you have instagram   yeah uh people can find me on instagram on  jack.pinatti or youtube this is jack venati also   me and a friend of mine white char white created  an instagram page two years ago called bar giants   which brings together all the best calisthenics of  sweets in the world there are taller than 1 meters   and 85 we decided yeah we decided to create this  speech because no one no one else has ever done   it and we wanted to show to the world that there  are also two people who can do calisthenics skills   weighted or acrobatics one so if you're taller  than 100 185 and you want to send us a video   just take a look at the page on instagram wow  that's that's really cool i really love that that   you also use uh your time to to inspire more  people uh not only with your performances but   also like sharing and giving the possibility um  to yeah give give other tall athletes the the the   um yeah the possibility to shine and to be seen  that's cool and and that's it i just want to   say hello to all the guys of the of the page of  the group javaregatsy and to my coach joe alex that's really cool so uh yeah we're slowly  coming to an end jack i'm so thankful that   you took the time to do this interview like  uh that you um shared your or your experience   that was uh hard like connected with hard  work with a lot of coaching with a lot of   mental barriers broken so um yeah thanks a  lot for for your time and before you can end   the episode i want to quickly send say uh thank  you to everyone listening to this till the end   it's uh been a long interview again i'm  extremely happy for everyone listening to this   um yeah for for a whole hour and i think  this interview was definitely interesting   uh definitely a special one as the 50th  episode so yeah if you liked it give it   a thumbs up and jack you can end the episode  and again thanks a lot it was a pleasure for me.