MUSCLE UPS, HUMAN FLAG, IRON FINGERS & BJJ | Interview with Misskyriee | Athlete Insider Podcast #66
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basics are the gateway to the incredible stuff like you can't overlook basesyou guerrillas welcome to the athlete insider podcast by GORNATION my name is Phil and today's guest is somebody from the united states who's inspiring the community with really crazy skills combining brazilian jiu jitsu with calisthenics i'm happy to welcome you to the show kyrie fontana also known as misskyriee hi thank you so much for having me um yeah and thanks for having me on the team too yeah true you're you're a team member already for a long time i'm super happy that we finally made this interview happen and uh people asked for it people requested it and now we are here and talking a little about your calisthenics three workout journey about your uh your life in general and yeah everything's everything's fine on your side uh everything's good these days yep everything's good um coved stuff is finally over for us generally speaking um training is going awesome no injuries right now that's cool yeah that's super cool uh with the injuries that's uh that's rare for calisthenics athletes i feel um like everybody always has something uh which is which is bothering him and you you are also somebody who is like uh sometimes uh hindered by by injuriesyes i mean i i have had some serious injuries in the past and you know um i've had a few big setbacks but yeah i'm good yeah that's okay yeah maybe we can talk about them later and you can share uh share a little about them um starting the interview is always interested interesting to know how did you start with the sport how did you get in touch with street workout um let's see i feel like there's so many different ways i could answer that question but um i definitely always wanted to be a gymnast when i was a kid but i didn't have that opportunity so i kind of did weird stuff in the park you know headstands attempts at handstands push-ups played on the bars and thenlater um let's seemy dad took me to the gym when i was 12 years old and taught me how to like work out like you know push pull legs and stuff he died right after that and i got really serious about working out kind of probably to you know put that energy somewhere and maybe a few years after that i changed my workouts into more of a calisthenic style and just kind of got obsessed from there wow so that was uh unexpected and i've i feel i feel kind of overwhelmed by that it's okay but uh yeah like um as you said like you had to put the energy somewhere and you like uh the sport gave you basically the the the channel to to invest that energy and to transform into something good right yep yeah and i i just kind of developed a very intense attitude towards my training and started grappling soon after that and was always just really serious so everything that you do in sports you do with 100 is it like something that uh i hear from that yes totally cool so uh yeah like maybe uh going back to to these dates to your beginning in in the sport like how did you start like have you always been like when you already practiced in the park have you been a sporty person all of your life and was the beginning easy for you so no i never did sports as a kid this is kind of a funny story you might get disturbed by some of the things i say but i grew up in a really crazy house and people smoked all the time and like never open the windows so when i first worked out i like couldn't even run a quarter mile because like my lungs i felt the sensation of someone who had been smoking for 12 years so no it was really hard for me but i overcame that that challenge like and now i cherish cardio cardiovascular uh you know ability and um if i ever feel like my cardio is slipping it off for like one reason or another like maybe i'm focusing too much on strength or not doing enough like i'll stop everything and address that so um yeah no i wasn't like a childhood athlete or anything that's probably why some of the stuff i do like isn't really traditional or you knowor like properly done i don't know so you invented your own style you you developed it uh just by like just freestyling you know like just uh trying yeahcool and uh yeah like um starting with the gym and then uh why did you switch to calisthenics uh after after starting with the gym so i was really strong in weight lifting and i couldn't do a pull-up and i'm sure that's kind of a common story for people getting into calisthenics and it actually made me mad so um i ended up applying principles from personal training to my approach to calisthenics and uh yeah now i can do muscle ups pull-ups and you know so that's that's super inspiring and super um yeah also unexpected for me i have to say like uh i thought um when when i see you like you're doing these crazy things you're doing the human flag the muscle ups etc so it seems that um you just were born with it like that's how it looks when when i look at your social media but it's like earned it's like uh a product of hard work and not something that was given to you in the in the first place yeah for sure well so um yeah um because somebody also asked from the community um if you ever did bodybuilding um so maybe you want to address that that's a good question so the way i started out in training was kind of a bodybuilding style with like a adaptation phase a phase you know all that um and i actually my favorite way of templating my uh calisthenics workouts is kind of that bodybuilding style so we'll get into that later but um i kind of did do bodybuilding i didn't do shows because i'm super shy but but that was my style of training for a long time okay so beginning to start to to train like your main goal in in workout maybe saying for calisthenics what was your main goal with with the workout with street workout in the beginning in the beginning i was obsessed with muscle ups and human flagsso you just want to unlock these these skills right yes and remember i was strong at the time so i went and i found bars and i threw myself on the bars and i was like wait i can't even hold myself up on here at all let alone like sidewayscrazy i like i can't i can't imagine that i i think um i think it's a lie but so yeah if you say it it has to be true yeah don't imagine it we'll justwe'll erase it from history i would be interested in uh like what were your thoughts in the beginning did you did you ever think that you would become that strong that you are today did you always have this mindset yeah i want to do the unlock the human flag i will do it or like did you have doubts and um yeah um i never really had doubts i just um kind of studied studied techniques and people who do it and i see the way to get there and i just apply myself to that and and this it's weird but i i never really had doubts even with muscle ups like it took me a long time to get my first muscle up and at one point i had a serious shoulder injury from doing it wrong um and even then i didn't have doubts okay was it from a chicken wing muscle up or what was it um it was frommaybe a little bit of over training and just like yanking myself on the bar like a crazy person like i pictured myself doing this beautiful movement and just threw myself on there over and over and and i i had trained like a couple of hours that day already and i was hungry but i wanted to get that muscle up and i got an injury instead and that's maybe already one learning that we can take from from this interview uh to like especially for you as somebody who is doing all the stuff that you do with 100 that it can become dangerous like over training and like wanting it too hard and not recovering enough or what would you say not recovering enough for sure um but also not starting with the basics like you know really simple techniques and training them until you own them completely and then and then slowly methodically putting it together sure cool um yeah maybe switching to today like how does your workout look like today how how do you split your workout how do you how does your program look like so um there's going to be two answers to this question one is i divide my programming up into i first start with how many days a week or how many sessions a week i'm going to train and then i template it with movement patterns so vertical push vertical pull horizontal push horizontal pull um prone lever supine lever um knee dominant hip workout i'm sorry knee dominant lower body hip dominant lower body so deads versus squats and then i kind of divide that evenly based on the intensity i'm going to put on a certain day and then i kind of insert my cali scent my calisthenics goals into that and then they kind of go from there and build the actual workouts with progressions wow so that's basically something that everybody can do like for himself so it's like kind of a template um which is uh which is yeah applicable to everyone everybody's goals right yeah because for me it's really important to stay balanced like not only training one movement pattern or plane of motion um because that can lead to injuries and i don't know it's just i think it's cool to be balanced as a as an athlete like people who can do only push only planche but not you know any pull movements so yeah there's different reasons i do it like that and everyone would be able to approach it the same way yeah if they wanted to yeah and it definitely makes sense like you you do you are really strong and pull you are really strong and like with muscle ups you are really strong and push with the human flag you do leg workouts you do cardio like you are your goal is to to be an overall athlete right yes that's cool that's really really cool and i think the the most healthy way uh to to approach training did you ever have the the fear of um not specializing enough like um did you ever had the thought of maybe if if oh damn it if i would only have trained like muscle ups i could now do it one arm you know like like something like this every day i have that especially since i do two sports yeah and i consider every day i think i'm gonna quit either calisthenics or jujitsu and i'm gonna be great at one of them because i feel like the progress is so slow i mean not so slow you know but for my expectations that i have set for myself i yeah i think about that every single day but i feel like for me this is the right way and that leads me to the other part of my um answer i was training with vadim i had vadim doing my programming for a while and he also has a balanced approach but i told him i didn't want to do any lower body i just wanted only like um upper body explosiveness so i felt like when i changed that approach i did start to become imbalanced and weakened certain parts of my body and again it's not because of him he was so funny when i told him that he said okay you don't want to be completei don't i don't want to be complete anymore i'm tired of it but yeah i feel like the balanced approach is the way to goyou said uh for your expectations you're doing slow progress like what are your expectations of yourself like what is what is your standard oh my gosh it's so ridiculous like i pretty much see the greatest athletes like and i feel like i want to be exactly like them like you know looking at like again like vadim or say gadgey you know gadgey i'm like oh i want to do one arm handstand just like edgy just walking in the sky and i know that my body is capable of that and same with like crazy muscle up sets and pull sets uh with front levers in there like for me that's the standard and i'm just making my way theredo you sometimes think about um like that it's harder for you as a as a as a woman like uh do you feel that or is it something that's not existent in your head or do you see otherwise that's a good question so umand i'll answer that with the story when i signed up for the men's wrestling team as a kid um i had i was judged at the time it wasn't considered cool um and um my coach looked like my coach hated the fact that a girl was wrestling and every i mean it was obvious everyone saw like your week compared to everyone and i completely murdered that idea in my mind and i worked so hard like any time there was a push-up competition i always made sure to win like i had this crazy iron will and now i just i don't have that at all like i don't even see the the differentiation there it's kind of maybe silly but yeah to me when i go in the gym and i see all these beasts meatheads i'm the same as them in my in my headthat's like super interesting because you can't change the fact and of course like um it depends on what kind of mentality somebody has because there might be somebody who is setting unrealistic goals and then like being completely unhappy when she doesn't reach these goals but but it depends on on your mentality how you deal with uh with failure like um that's like with with challenges like with challenges you know there are other people who like are extra motivated if you say you can't do that they are like 200 motivated and they will crush everyone just because of the iron wool as you said it and there are other people who are like who take it too too hard too much like when somebody says something like this would you say that you are more motivated by uh like um if somebody tells you you can't do something um not necessarily i think back in my wrestling days i i that did serve me in terms of motivation but now like i said in the head the plane in my head the playing field is equalized even though objectively speaking i know it's not necessarily true i just don't even think about that um and that allows me to celebrate the successes that i do have instead of worry about you know comparisons or failing to get to the goals i saidinteresting um yeah like talking about crazy skills uh from from gachi or like vadim that we also have to respect and you already said it um to do the basics um maybe you can share your your viewpoint on basics in general are they necessary mandatory for everyone yeah how do you think about that i i believe in my opinion i know everyone has their own opinion but basics are everything basics are the gateway to the incredible stuff like basics open up the doors to to the cool stuff you can't overlook basics why is that because of injuries because of strength because of what what is it um well all you could always say because of injuries butas we discussed i like the well-round i i take the well-rounded approach and um you know like let's take freestyle for example yes it's cool that some guys are just flying round and round on the bars but to me it's the a more complete athlete is able to you know stop and hold a front lever and do the do these more strength based skills and then i think that um it would be weird this i don't know if this makes sense but it would be weird if that same dude couldn't bust out you know strong pull-ups or dips you know i don't knowthat wasn't a very well thought out answer but no but it's true like uh it's uh yeah i definitely see the point so um yeah like um from your first workout ever like with with basics um maybe let's exclude the the uh the weightlifting and uh gym uh phase but like from your first basics workout uh street workout um to your first muscle up how long did it take you to to to learn the first muscle upprobably six years wow yeah and i still struggle with muscle ups i know people say like muscle you're the muscle of queen and stuff and i'm like don't say that natalia yeah but yeah it's it's hard for me yeah so that's that's a super long time and uh like maybe these people who like it's like this is the danger of social media i feel especially of these short short videos showed photos etc where you only see the end result and you don't see the the six years of getting there so yeah like muscle up can you can you share your journey like what what was the problem how did you solve it uh like how did you learn it so it started with pull-ups i had to master pull-ups first and i have a pull-up program i use that i got from mike boyle who's an olympic hockey trainer um where you start with one rep four sets of one and then you add one rep each workout so three sets of one one set of two two sets of one two sets of two on and on until you get to your rep goal so i started with that so mastering pull-ups and then like i said i there was a long time where i trained it wrong i just thought you know throw yourself on the bar and stuff um so that was probably a one year period maybe um after i got better from my injury that i caused um i started working onoh i got my first muscle up by using the false grip oh wow which to me is a cheat because for some reason it's so easy crazy for a lot of people the the false grip is really really difficult to hold ityeah so i was like oh sure i found the cheat code but i still wanted to do it like you know street workout style like properly and then i started using a kip and doing negative muscle ups um and man on and on until nowwell yeah now the way i approach it is i do high pull ups that start with a retraction and then protract you know to properly protracted high pull up use a power l-sit as you go up um but yeah gosh the journey to the first muscle up it's kind of hell i kind of blocked it out of my memoryokay yeah it is and like i still remember when i had wanted to unlock the front lever i think it was in 2013 something and i didn't know how the the move was called so i couldn't just uh put it on youtube because i didn't know back then i like about calisthenics and uh um the the name of the muscle up so uh yeah and not like just trying out and it you feel so helpless you know like the muscle up is not like like uh and i think this is the the barrier in calisthenics and street workout you either you either can do a move or you can't do it like it's not with like with bench press where you can just put a 5 kg plate on it but if you can't do a muscle up you can't do a muscle up and uh like um that feels really helpless so i'm always interested in in the journey how you get away from there like did you have people around you uh who who were also doing this journey and going this this way no no one i looked crazy i was so and that's actually why i started an instagram account i was so obsessed with attaining these goals and it was like i talked about it all the time i kept sending videos to my friends and like group text like look what i did today no response finally people started ignoring it all together and i was like i hate social media but i need to start an account so yeah no i didn't have peoplecrazy so the the moment you didn't get replies anymore on whatsapp you you started instagram and just thought yeah if they don't reply i need new peoplewhich which was a good decision i guess like uh with your community like a lot of people wrote really nice uh questions and nice compliments into the uh the instagram sticker and said that you're gorgeous and like you're inspiring and that's like super nice to see how many people you you touch uh like and also some like sometimes just um underneath your posts or like your advertisements people right yeah yeah curious the best uh ambassador the best athlete you have and like um yeah that's that's i think it was a really good decision to to start with instagram and i think it's cool that you share your journey thanks and you do things differently this is uh what i uh like like you do things differently you show new ideas uh like for example of of the um i think a lot of pro athletes they don't show the the way and the training behind the skills and you'd uh i think you share well the journey and the experimenting with the i have to think of the impossible dip with the with the help you know with the support behind it and stuff like that um that's really cool thanks do you still remember uh your um because it was also question how long you took from the first studio ever to the first human flag like how long did it take to learn this skill was it longer than the muscle up or shorter longer ohis it like years or seven years how many like seven years okay so yeah yeah so also also earned not given like what was the main difficulty in the in the uh human flag journey probably time spent on the barum i feel like that movement for some reason comes more naturally to me than like say a muscle up or a front lever or anything that involves like mostly pulling um i like the human flag because it has some pulling um and some pushing and some core activation so like being physically balanced with my training i feel like that move kind of just feels natural to me cool i will ask a really mean question and i know you're not prepared for it but are you able to do the uh the human fleck on both sides like uh because you're you're an all around athletes and athlete athlete are you able to do it on both sides the kind of the same yes so it's funny one side i have to get a little bit prone i'm sorry supine with my body and the other side i can get like straight on i think there's a photo where i did both sides and you could see the difference it's kind of funny but but yeah i can hold the line on both sides well i didn't expect that because i just know i can just take myself as an example like it's it's a skill that's uh that's kind of easy on one side and the other side feels like damn it i i will i will never unlock it so um yeah good for you and uh respect for that that's cool also to you to avoid disbalances i guess nice um yeah another thing um i'm deeply impressed and uh like we had the the uh viral push up with the two fingers uh which which went really really well how did you train how do you train the the finger strength is it is it an element in geojutsu or how does it come that you're so strongso um back in wrestling days we did like probably 300 push-ups a day so push-ups became easy and then on my own i started with the fingertip push-ups and um this is kind of funny but i got this from pavel satelline you know the kettlebell guy um i can't remember what it's called because it's been a long time since i thought about it but you kind of tense your whole entire body and visualize yourself being lighter and with that i was able to feel so light on the fingers that i could almost just float up i know it sounds weirdthat's interesting so um yeah maybe you can send me a link so we can put it in the description for the people yeah sounds uh sounds interesting i wanna i wanna i wanna check that outcool yeah um so like training finger strength is it something you just do for fun or do you see any benefits in like your your regular workouts i see a ton of benefits so in calisthenics we often spend a lot of time on the bar and it's always gripping and same with jiu jitsu you know you're doing a ton of gripping whether it's ghee or nogi and um fingertip push-ups are a really good way to balance out that excessive um you know flexion of the hands and um it helps prevent um tendinitis in the elbow so i feel like if you're doing a lot of pulling um fingertip push-ups or fingertip planks are a must okay and you don't have to start on two fingers i guess so you can start on on five fingers yeah don't do two it's kind of long but like five fingers is something that you would recommend to everyone uh just to to uh yeah avoid injuries and to have like a more balanced forearm and elbow etcetera yeah for sure gonna gonna implement this this is a cool cool advice um we are talking about tendonitis and injuries in general you uh you told us in the beginning that you had some some severe injuries during your career um and uh yeah maybe you want to share something about this like how how did it go so my first big injury was in wrestling it was a complete acl tear and a huge meniscus tear andwe talked a little bit about the crazy childhood and dad the dying and stuff so with all that in the background i didn't have health insurance and i wasn't able to get that knee repaired so for about two years i would just maybe maybe not two years but a long time it seems like i'd walk around and the knee would just collapse and it was horrible horrible pain and instability i obviously had to quit um wrestling i had to quit a lot of things i was doing um so that's why i know that a lot of masks on my legs can hold me back from some of the calisthenics schools and the energy expenditure is hard but it's so important for me to prevent injuries to my you know knees hips ankles um so that was my first big injuryyeah is your like is your knee today uh like is it at 100 or like how how is it they had to take out most of the meniscus and it's kind of it cracks really really loud so when i train legs i have to wear headphones because it's like disturbing um yeah and it's like it's when i you know when i do those handstand drills with the legs straddle and then then it like clicks into position it's so weird but yeah i take injury prevention really seriously now um after that i can imagine yeahso uh yeah this is as your first injury i'm i'm scared to ask but uh other other more or what's the second does it become worse or should we stop hereit doesn't get worse the others are just like the shoulder uh partner in jiu-jitsu broke my wrist so for a while in instagram back in the day you could see there's a wrist base on all the videos um but there's one more i'll tell you about i you guys kind of know but um i had a groin injury and i had to wear ice like in my under ear for for six weeks it was crazy and i think i have video of it i just my i don't know what happened but i was doing handstand i just felt like this on the bar oh [ __ ] it was stupid yeah yeah and that's hard to prevent like at least with with workout uh this this kind of injury yeah exactly it was just a fluke no training could prevent that true yeah so um when you're so serious about injury prevention and nowadays like um what are what is some advice that you would give to to the listeners um yeah to to prevent injuries basicallyso there's certain things i like to do like rotator cuff training with the band like external and internal rotation um mobility training the uh transverse abdominis when you do core like the deep deep abdominals um a lot of hip work with rotation um and the band like hip extension um and again like making sure you train all different planes of motion so cool um and basics not skipping basics true how do you train the the deep abdominals how do you reach them um so my favorite way to activate that area is to get into like a tabletop position and just use a strong exhale and pull the belly button into the spine super hard and try to keep it there and hold it until you feel it um it might hurt if you do it really well and hold it maybe six to ten seconds and do like five to ten reps of that and you'll see like immediately after doing that the handstand line improves like immensely so that's your secret now yeah that's my favorite thing yeahcool nice it doesn't look cool but yeah like but the handstand looks cool and that's that's what countscool a lot of workout advice i'm super happy for that and yeah thanks already um questions about the diet like how serious do you take your diet are you somebody who is uh doing uh cheat day every day or like uh are you more of the the clean eater like maybe you can share something about your diet so i generally eat um protein vegetables and a complex carbohydrate i kind of have to stay away from sugar i have kind of a sensitive blood sugar where i can get the shakes have you ever had that no i don't think so but i i don't like sugar like um i don't never ate sugar a lot so yeah yeah so generally i stay away from sugar um but if i work out hard i will eat like it it might look like a cheat meal but to me it's like important i'll eat like pizza cheeseburger you know just to get the extra calories um but i recently did a bodybuilder diet that i got from my friend rudy and that was like you weigh out every single portion and you like plan out every single meal i did it for like six weeks and i was so ripped from it but it's crazy it goes away like if you eat back to normal it goes away in like three days so but you went back to the normal diet because it was too much work or how why why did you just switch back kind of experimenting just to see the differences and i i actually like the bodybuilder diet because i i ate more and more frequently um and if i'm like out and about i always have the meals prepared so since i haven't been doing it i've been more hungryinteresting so the bodybuilder diet is another thing i have to to write down to to get shredded for summer yeahyour uh your opinion and your advice on supplements like do you take um whey protein creatine whatever uh yeah um i have taken whey protein in the past and my body responds really well to it i know a lot of people don't like it um but i put on a lot of mass when i use whey i haven't done that in a long time um i'm trying to take a creatine right now it's called cree crea alkaline where you don't have to load and it doesn't make you bloated i got it from my friend who owns wolverine um i'm just so bad about it so i've taken it like three times so i can't really say if it works or not but i i intend to take it every dayother than that i i don't really use supplements i just you know i'm just not very good about doing it every day okay interesting yeah um yeah what are your goals this year what can we uh expect to see or like what is something that you have in your mind so that you still want to unlock in 2022 okay so i still want front lever i might quit i might quit jiu jitsu so i can get front lever that's an announcement kidding but i think uh yeah i want front lever i want 12 beautiful muscle ups i want a one arm pull up i want 40 kg pull up i want one arm handstand um and i'd like to get back to a nice v-sit my hips i mentioned this before my hips get so tight from legs that it i just can't even my i can't overcome the tightness so get visit um and one arm back lever wow that's a long list i know it might be like 20 25 but they're cool but uh better like too many goals than no goals at all i i think um because you you know have a direction you can go to you're not like demotivated too much by small optic obstacles like the the um the hip stiffness etc so um yeah good luck for that i i really hope that you will unlock all of that thanks that's cool yeah that would be cool nice we're slowly coming to an end we always have some quick questions quick answers at the end of every interview um so first question is what's your favorite foodcan i say two you can okay pancakes with just butter no syrup and um thai food like curry red curry stuff like that no i get hungry cool yeahare you a dog or a cat person cat because i've never had a dog okay what athletes inspire youum let's see there's so many that inspire me but um with my goals i'm mostly inspired by vadim gadgy and natalyacool so maybe you want to go in detail like uh natalia because of her her cleaners yep her muscle ups are a dream if i could do it like that at that volume i could die happy tomorrow yeah it's that good and then same with vadim i love the intensity he brings like just like you're going to war when you go to train like a maniac and i just love that it inspires me and motivates me so much and then gadgy i like his kind of he is a trained gymnast but he kind of applies his own unique flair to everything and it's super fun for me to watch and he's also very intense when he trainsnice what's your favorite skillit has to be muscle up even though it's not my best skill it's my worst but it's my favorite and then flag of course is my favorite nice uh if you have to decide pull or pushdang i'm like about 10 times better with push than i am pull but i want pull more so i'm going to stay cool nice uh what's your favorite favorite music genreohi used to like like heavy metal rock mostly but now i'm liking like kind of dark hip hop the most that's a that's a like that's a change like uh yeah i know like the more evil the better okaythe the evil cat ladycool um yeah what's the best movie ever in your opinion oh my gosh so i have two favorite movies one is the death of stalin it's so funny to me and i love russian history so i love that movie and the other is this movie called something about mary have you seen it no oh my god it's so funny i've watched it about 20 times ben stiller is my favorite actor and he zips up his balls and his pants and they're like sticky it out so many funny things happen so that's my two favorite movies cool i think i get the direction of the film nice um yeah what was the best calisthenics event you've ever been ati've never been i went to an expo one time and it was super cool it was like san jose um and i got to see battle of the bars in real life for the first time it was just crazy i can't imagine like going over there and to europe and going to like fibo i can't imagine it'd be crazy yeah i'm also really looking forward to this day i like uh being able to uh to to host you at the at the fibo would will be really cool oh my gosh yeah it would be so cool the day will come i'm looking forward to that oh my goshnice uh yeah what's your message to the calisthenics community as the the last question of the day so is this to like newer athletes or like the pros basically to to everyone listening uh like um but they don't reply if we we ask them now if they are beginners or advanced um but yeah i would say like just um just here to everyone in the listening to everyone listening um okay soi'm going to assume that most of the people listening are going to be like on their own workout journey you know not necessarily pros so i'm going to say the single greatest thing you can do for your progress is reverse any natural impatience that you have so um first have patience which is discipline andthen you can apply consistency and within the framework of consistency you will for sure for sure get to your goalwow cool thank you for sharing thanks for for the interview thanks for your time curie i really appreciate it uh yeah if people want to get in touch with you if people want to contact you how is it how is it best for youdm i try i try really hard to answer all of them so instagram dm uh we will put your instagram in the link in the bio together maybe we should say email you're gonna get lost in there yeah nice um yeah thanks again for your time thanks to everyone uh listening to this till the end and i really appreciate it uh if somebody takes uh 53 minutes uh to to listen to us and uh yeah kiri you have the last words thanks again from my side and hope hopefully see you soon in in real life yes thank you so much thanks for everything and i got my package yesterday i love everything it's over the top thanks.